Not long before we drive to his favorite sushi bar in Los Angeles, Joaquin Phoenix, the actor, tells the story of how he became a vegan.
Two months later, after moving to Winter Park, Florida, the entire family converted to veganism. In 1979 they piled into a station wagon—with a new last name, Phoenix—and drove to Hollywood, where they reinvented themselves as an unlikely troupe of child actors and singers who appeared in TV shows likeespoused veganism and animal rights, and featured a beautiful eldest son, the shooting star River Phoenix.Photograph by Ethan James Green; Styled by Tom Guinness.
Phoenix mostly wants to let the film speak for itself. “There’s so many different ways of looking at it,” Phoenix says of the Arthur Fleck/Joker character. “You can either say here’s somebody who, like everybody, needed to be heard and understood and to have a voice. Or you can say this is somebody that disproportionately needs a large quantity of people to be fixated on him. His satisfaction comes as he stands in amongst the madness.
“Go try to be funny nowadays with this woke culture,” he says. “There were articles written about why comedies don’t work anymore—I’ll tell you why, because all the fucking funny guys are like, ‘Fuck this shit, because I don’t want to offend you.’ It’s hard to argue with 30 million people on Twitter. You just can’t do it, right? So you just go, ‘I’m out.’ I’m out, and you know what? With all my comedies—I think that what comedies in general all have in common—is they’re irreverent.
The muse of the movie, in many ways, is one of its costars, Robert De Niro, who plays a late-night talk show host modeled in part on Johnny Carson. “He is my favorite American actor,” Phoenix says of De Niro. “I got the impression from him that he did things in [a] scene, certain behaviors, certain gestures or movements, whether the camera was on him and registering it or not.”“For me, I always thought that acting should be like a documentary,” he continues.
In De Niro’s company offices in Manhattan, Phoenix mumbled his way through the script and afterward went into a corner to smoke. De Niro invited him to his office, on a different floor, to talk, but Phoenix demurred. “He’s in front of Bob, and he goes, ‘I can’t, I gotta go home,’ recalls Phillips, “because he felt sick after that read-through, he didn’t like it.”Phillips urged him to come up—this was Robert De Niro, after all—and Phoenix reluctantly agreed.
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