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Playwright Annie Baker and 12-year-old Zoe Ziegler on making their big-screen debuts.

is a delicate memory piece set in early-1990s hippie Massachusetts, following a sensitive, quirky 11-year-old named Lacy and her very close relationship with her mom, Janet . Janet is the planet Lacy orbits around, and the movie wouldn’t work if it weren’t for the lovely performance by Ziegler, a preteen making her acting debut. When I interviewed Baker and Ziegler, I expected to be speaking with a quiet playwright and a jazz-hands show kid.

But it was a while ago that you made the movie, so how old were you when you were filming with Annie and Julianne?Oh, great question. I was 10 and now I’m 12! No, I just turned 43, so I guess when I shot it, I had just turned 41.Yes. Zoe had these peanut-butter-and-jelly dippers that were just for her, but then I was like, “I want them too.”Well, first of all, I have never really liked talking about characters in a reductive way.

There are a lot of scenes in the movie where Lacy curls up with her mom in bed and they’re whispering to each other. Zoe, what was it like doing those scenes with Julianne? Was it cozy to be in there? Was it weird?There’s a sequence in the movie that really reminded me of my childhood. It’s the one where Lacy meets a girl named Sequoia at the mall and they have an incredibly fun day.

Zoe, you were 10 when you did this. Presumably you’re a totally different person now than you were then. How is 12-year-old Zoe different from 10-year-old Zoe? I assume you’re taller.Do you have the same interests you did when you were 10, or are you interested in totally different things?I just think that’s a huge accomplishment that you did that. We all worked really hard. And Zoe was like, “I’m going to get my horse at the end of it.” I felt that from you.

 

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