Carl Barât on the Most Anthemic and Agonizing Music of His Career

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Carl Barât on his most anthemic and agonizing music, from the Libertines and beyond

“We each had six-foot-four security guards to protect us from each other.” Photo-Illustration: Vulture; Photo by Roger Sargent Carl Barât beams into my laptop like a punk apparition from the Flying Dutchman, his dim room complemented by abstract paintings of women and vape smoke . I’ve never felt grateful for Zoom until this very moment.

Most anthemic Libertines song “Time for Heroes” is the real sort of crowd-rousing one that makes people feel united in a purpose. In that sense, it’s anthemic. But that song hasn’t really got a chorus, which is quite unusual. I’d say that’s certainly the rabble-rouser of our songs. I think it was quite evocative to write “Did you see the stylish kids in the riot?” I think everybody feels at times that they are the stylish kids in the riot.

Dirty Pretty Things song that should’ve been a bigger hit There’s one song called “Blood on My Shoes” on the second record, which I really loved, and no one seemed to like it, even now. People just hate that song. But for me, I really put blood into that song. I really gave it everything, and I loved it. Maybe it sounded derivative.

The truth was that these two young men, who came from backgrounds of turmoil, deeply wanted goodness and love and hope and were pretty fucked up and were fighting through that. It was a struggle. Ultimately, in coming together and not, well, killing each other, Pete and I managed to create something long-lasting and important to both of us. And hopefully other people too. To see that it still has some of that impact suggests that the record has done well.

How your definition of ‘Albion’ has evolved over the years I think the good ship Albion has become a greater vessel, and there are a lot of people onboard. Inevitably family. It’s still strong and, remarkably, we are still together after 20 years, when it really looked like … Well, from my view, I thought everyone would be dead. There wasn’t a hope for us getting this far, and we’re about to celebrate our 20th anniversary. We’ve built this amazing place.

 

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